Thursday, July 23, 2009

Is this new era’s intelligent & refined plagiarism?


Apologies to the regular visitors of this blog for the unpleasant tone in this post. I am forced to and helpless and must take this off my chest before things get worse.
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Dear fellow blogger,

You amaze me ! You know why ? I featured a recipe here in my blog , a dish that came out successfully on my first attempt , following my mother’s instructions…. now exactly 1 1/2 years later, you have featured the same dish in your blog, after your first attempt and surprisingly, the proportions of ingredients you have used match 95% to the recipe I featured earlier !!! The 5 % difference is made in a clever way by throwing in a couple ingredients from your imagination and by changing the bullet points to single lines and paragraphs !!!!!!

Hmm….was that really a coincidence?? How can we both have the same brains, thought process and judgements especially when it comes to proportions, that too while trying out a new dish , that too for the first time ???? Isn’t that a bit weird??? I have seen you getting “inspired” by this blog earlier too….but I ignored and gave you the benefit of doubt.

You know who you are!! I know that you follow this blog closely and derive “inspiration” too. I am glad you do. But sweetie, there is actually a lot of difference between “ getting inspired” and “copying” .

Removing bullet points, or instructing to use one 2 inch cinnamon sticks in place of two 1” inch sticks or using your own language to write down the method of cooking with a bit of difference here and there, is really not a very clever thing to do or an acceptable blog etiquette.

You re a talented blogger, with a great passion for cooking and flair for writing . You have a great space shaping up and it would be more enjoyable if you keep it original!

Shn

Crossposted :

I didn't want to respond to this issue anymore but now I feel, I should make it very clear what I DID NOT intend in my post.

I was not referring to anyone owning any recipe or dish. I do not have any false idea that I am the only who can cook and post a recipe(classic, traditional, modern , contemporary etc) and that it should not be posted by anyone else. I never intended such things nor do I have such apprehensions , so please do not misinterpret and twist my words.

What is being interpreted is wayyy different than what I actually meant and completely not in sync with the issue I brought up.

Shn
July 28, 2009 9:20 AM



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59 comments:

Rachel said...

Woah Shan! I like the attitude in the post!!

Ann said...

Hey Mish,that was a surprise..lol..you too..
I must agree that you are CLEVER more..haha,but thats required..I loved your spirit..hugs

Poornima Nair said...

Shn, this is happening to so many bloggers now. It's great that you are atleast aware of this. It is so easy to reproduce someone else's work by making a few changes here n there. The only way to stop this is to expose such bloggers, as they have no right to take credit for stolen material. And also so others could be cautious.

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Vani said...

Never could understand why it's such a problem giving credit where it's due. What is so difficult to say here's what I made from such and such a blog, right? I hope you have mentioned your objections to her directly too, Shn.

Pooja said...

Oh that is so bad Shn! Wonder why the blogger doesnt have the courtesy to acknowledge the hard work you have put in! We all know how much effort we put into each of our posts and cant imagine anyone recreating our works. You have a great blog and I'm happy to say you have been one of the inspirations for me starting my own blog few months before :)

Anonymous said...

Sorry.. this comment is not directly related to the post above... I sympathise with you. I am posting with a request...
On the side, you have a lot of pics featuring the items that are on the blog. Is there some way to also show the name of the recipe when I move my mouse over the pic? That would really make it easier to find what I am looking for.

Anonymous said...

People people people.....what a shame?.if ia m not wrong the same person has put comment also on your recent posts....I think you should send a email ,if the blogger doesnt responds to the post.....

By the way welcome back....

Rashmi

Anh said...

This is bad. I am soo sad that plagiarism happens so offen these days. :(

Ammu said...

What a great way to confront a copy-cat! :)

My Experiments with Cooking said...

*Hugs*

Digit said...

I am dying to know who stole your recipe. Can you send me the link?

mathew said...

I sincerely wish the blogger who has copied it apologizes to you for doing it...You have been very courteous here and given the blogger a chance to correct himself/herself....!!

You know that people who do it dont last long...and that can take nothing away from the original effort you have put in here!!

soul speaks said...

Hi dear, I am also always inspired by your blog.. but only to cook ;)
Please please dont stop your blogs because of this , this is my treasure house which I keep on hunting somtimes to cook, sometimes just to see and drool!!

But you have dealt with it in a dignified way.. great!!
take care
Rekha

jayasree said...

I liked the spirit. Hope you have dropped a line to the concerned person too. Else the said person might conveniently think you are talking abt someone.

Anonymous said...

I was just wondering if that blogger has removed her post. You posted this, you must also have the courage to disclose the link,its the only way to stop this kind of behaviour and it would be of great help. We'd rather not make a fool of ourselves by giving credit where its not due.

Susan

Shabs.. said...

nice kick to the copy-cats...but like digit, m also too curious about who that person is!!!i have come across a site that put up ur recipe pics n think i have mentioned it before...

Sharmila said...

Too bad. I like the fact that you did not give a link to the blog which would only give it more hits. But maybe you can give out the name so that the person is at least ashamed.
Great write though. :-)

Anonymous said...

I have even read similar stories copied with the recipes from other blogs, truly sickening it is...

Urs....Jina said...

Im shocked to hear that. How do people have the heart to copy a hard toiled recipe?And more so, how someone who loves cooking could do that to another fellow blogger.U shud disclose the link Shn.
Make em squirm in shame.Thats the only way to teach them a lesson.

And for anon , who asked about how to know the name of the recipe when browsing over pics..What I do is I look down on the browser pane, it shows what it is..i.e if ur using firefox or opera..

Karma said...

Hi Shan,
I am a regular vistor of this blog and I admire the work you have done here. Especially the pictures, they inspire me to cook.
I read this post yesterday and I felt bad for you. I felt it is bad to copy the work that you have put so much energy into. But I did not left a comment to support you. I never do.
But today morning I got a forward from my cousin. I thought some of the pictures looked familiar. I visited your blog make confirm my doubt. Here is the link to the forward.
http://www.malayalamfun.com/2009/05/oru-nadan-treat.html

I thought you should know this . I don't know what steps should be taken to stop this. But I would support you in any way I could.
-Karma

Praveen $ Kiron said...

Hey Shn,
shame on that blogger who is copying other's creations.

♥♥♥Ria♥♥♥ said...

Whoa!! U dealt him/her perfectly! Such cowards needs this sorta treatmeant!

Anonymous said...

Well, how do you know that your mom did not plagiarize the recipes that you are blogging about?
nobody learns cooking at the time they were conceived... we all copy? so where is this anger coming from?

sunita said...

My empathise Shn...I understand how that must feel. Hope you've given the concerned blogger a piece of your mind, directly.

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Anonymous said...

Hi Shn,

I saw the njandu varatharachathu recipe in another blog (I guess this is the recipe you are talking about) and immediately remembered your recipe. It is sad that people don't give credit where it is due.

You are right. This is just a form of glorified plagiarism. I hope this post of yours is enough to make her realize her mistake.

SMS said...

hey shn, first of all i dont have a blog. But people blogging about the same recipe doesn't mean they are copying.That may be their family dish too. As you have mentioned it as "keralites" food the recipe is known to most people not just you and ur mom. I am not from kerala, but some of ur recipes are my family dishes too.But copying ur picture is a big NO.

Shabs.. said...

hey shn....pls dont think of stopping ur blogging or doing something like that ok.....that wud make many others including myself in trouble from cooking delicious meals,and just giving the husband and family the impression of how great cook we are....after all it's ur precious recipe....
Today urs is the first page that I opened in the morning. And it came blank for me at first then i had refresh it to get the contents. I thought u removed the complete blog and got shocked for a moment. That is what made me write this comment here.
Take care dear.

Bindhu Unny said...

Some are desperate to blog, but don't even bother to come up with something on their own. :-)

Anonymous said...

Shn, I think you should chill a bit... I'm a blogger too. These things happen! And I really dont think there is anything unique about recipes... in the old days, recipes were passed on by word of mouth or taught by family or friends. If you're so obsessed about a recipe being 'like' yours - you might as well protect "your" recipes by having a private blog that only a few can access. If you think it is some kind of secret recipe like KFC - by all means protect it!

And like the person said above me, what makes you so sure your mother didnt copy it from someone...

The spirit of blogging is sharing, if you're in for the fame and money... you're really gonna be disappointed my dear!

Wishing you happier blogging experience!

T.R.

Mishmash ! said...

I am moderating the comment below where the commenter, Rimmy has accuratetely noted the name of the blogger I refer to in my post, as I still have some respect for the blogger as as an individual/virtual-public image ….and still publishing the edited version - ‘with ######’ in place of the person’s name, as I do not want to show any disrespect or deny the freedom of speech to Rimmy.

I must also note that NOT all the dishes, mentioned by the commenter, are ‘cleverly crafted copies’ of the recipes featured in my blog earlier.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Is this new era’s intelligent & refined plagiarism...":

I have been following your blog for quite a while and am shocked to hear that this has happened to you again. Your Njandu Varutharachathu, Crab Roast, Meen Mappas, Fish fry etc have been copied! I do not own a blog else I would have fought for you. Being an ardent fan of your website I dont want to happen this to you again and hence I disclose the name of the blogger: ######.
Shame on the blogger for copying your recipes and posting as her own! Hope this would be a reminder to all those who are into Plagiarism.

Hugs,
Rimmy.

Mishmash ! said...

Dear friends, well –wishers and critics…

The only intention of my post was to put across the message to the concerned blogger and make the person aware that I am not blind/naive to the happenings around me. And I have solid proof to assure you all that the message did reach the target.

Some of you mentioned that I should have disclosed the name /website under discussion but I have this belief that everyone should be given a second chance to do some introspection, gain some perspective and correct the mistakes…..But I must say, once again, my belief system was proven wrong and outdated !!!

I am also aware that this is not just a single instance of this sort , but something that has been happening to many genuine bloggers out there …hope this post has helped to create a bit of awareness or throw light into such unaccetable behaviour existing around.

I rest my case here. Period.

My heartfelt THANKS to all those who took time to drop a line here expressing your views and support. I might have several reasons to blog, which may or may not fade away in the course of time, but I owe YOU, the loyal readers of this blog for making this place into what it is now. Thanks a ton, to each one of you out there!

Let’s move on…

Shn

wanderlust said...

The way you have responded to the plagiariser is too dignified.

I am an ardent follower of your blog. The way you write and present your recipes is awesome. Being from Kuttanad, whenever I feel homesick for some 'naadan' food, I log onto to your blog and feast my eyes on the "Toddy Shop Special", "Karimeen Mappas" and "Chemmeen Varattiyathu".

There is another kuttanaadan special -"full duck roast". My grandmother used to prepare it for special guests - a full duck stuffed with potatoes, spices and a few other vegetables and then roasted brown in an oven. That used to be the centerspread of her dining table.

Keep going in spite or to spite your 'admirers'.We will continue being your faithful fans :-)

Prathibha said...

They say imitation is the best form of appreciation. But I cant seem to agree with it this time.. Plagiarism seem to be worsening. We are with you,girl!

Revathy said...

Hi Shn

Though I am a regular follower and your blog is one of my cooking reference,I have tried most of your recipes everything came out good and tasty but never tried to comment...I have even read the recent discussions going on in your blog..Still I dint tried to comment ...but today when i was going thru some websites in search of my recipe hunt for new tastes,I noticed the same blogger's another "creation" from another website.http://www.kerala-recipe.com/KR_RecipeDetails.aspx?KR_ID=304&intStartRow=1&mCatID=0&mIngredientID=51&mTypeID=0&mOccasionID=0&mCuisineID=0&mMemID=0
and
http://tastyland.blogspot.com/search/label/fish%20recipe..

The person is cleverly keeping her anonymity ...Ridiculous

all the best for your future blogging mish

love

Anonymous said...

Wow Shn that was a brilliant way of netting the culprit! And as one of your admirers have said above, I too wonder why people cant give due credit rather than stealing others hard toiled recipes! Thanks to the commenter Rimmy for spilling the beans. Though you moderated the comment Shn, I could understand the blogger who committed plagiarism since I have been blindly following her blog and couldnt believe that I and others have been cheated!

Take Care,
Sunu

Urs....Jina said...

Hey

Now I know who it is.Im shocked.Coz it was one of the blogs where I turned to for a fun recipe.Now Im not sure how Im gonna view it again.

You were right in not revealing the name...

Like you said, forgetting it and moving on

Mishmash ! said...

Revathy, I am NOT referring to those people or website.

But Thanks anyway as those websites has also taken lot of our food bloggers pics.....:(

Twinsy Rachel said...

Thatz bad!

Nags said...

I understand this new challenge that we may need to face, a different kind of copying.

My concern is, how do we know for a fact that someone saw our recipe, tried it out and then altered quantities before posting? What if that person or his/her family also makes this recipe in a similar manner? I feel like this is a sensitive issue so if there is atleast a little iota of doubt, its unfair to the person since its a serious accusation.

Bottomline: you are justified in pointing it out if you are absolutely sure it was copied from you.

Just my two pence :)

sangeeta said...

i am here for the first time dear ...but i disagree on this charge of plagiarism.....how can you claim that a traditional recipe is your original.....and somebody else posting it , is copying you....not fair dear...i think you shoud apologies for overreacting.......and i have to see if you publish my comment.

Bong Mom said...

LOL :) like your spirit and I do understand the pain.

But you know what copyrighting a recipe is very very difficult unless it is a totally new creation

Say, there are so many Bengalis making a particular dish the same way with little touches here and there. So even if someone copies my recipe, no way can I say so. Maybe their family makes it that way too.

Bong Mom said...

On the aside, I know it hurts but Shn come on, come back after all isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery :)

I don't know which blog you referred to, for me and maybe for many others you & mallugirl are the ultimate in mallu non-veg recipes ;-)

Irene said...

Mishmash,

I agree with Sangeeta. There are lot of traditional recipes that everyone uses. It could have been passed on to them by their mom or grandma or friends. If they use the precise measurements like you with the same exact ingredients then yeah that raise a doubt. But if they are using YOUR pictures that you posted on your blog, then of course it is plagiarism. Just my opinion. I hope I didn't offend you.

Mishmash ! said...

I didn't want to respond to this issue anymore but now I feel, I should make it very clear what I DID NOT intend in my post.

I was not referring to anyone owning any recipe or dish. I do not have any false idea that I am the only who can cook and post a recipe(classic, traditional, modern , contemporary etc) and that it should not be posted by anyone else. I never intended such things nor do I have such apprehensions , so please do not misinterpret and twist my words.

What is being interpreted is wayyy different than what I actually meant and completely not in sync with the issue I brought up.

Shn

Urs....Jina said...

I posted this in Varshas blog and wanted it to be here too..
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Hey

For one thing Im glad you posted this coz I was in a serious dilemma. I dont know you or Shn personally. But both of you are almost like my long lost friends..coz its your blogs I turn to when nIm in need of a recipe (ofcourse Shn has seniority coz I found her first and has tried out half her recipes and Im juts getting there for yours.)

And it seriously hurts to see an exchange like this.And like I wrote in Mishmash s blog---what shocked me was to come to know its you/or rather it was talking about you.

I dont want to take sides coz I love both your blogs and honestly think both of you have different styles of writing and presenting and both are great blogs to read and reproduce the recipes.But just wanted to give my 2 cents from that perspective. Coz everyone is either favour of you or favour of her and I think thats not done. this is not some war camp.I seriously believe its just a friendly misunderstanding.

--Like everyone said one can never be sure whether a recipe is flicked or not coz of the so many reasons which everyone said...But leaving that, and just looking at Mish mashs post and your post, my gut sank..coz they seriously looked like different dressed twin sisters.Hazards of recipe from similar region and background I agree.But to see two recipes look like that arouses suspicion.(which might be base less as you say) But just maybe that alone might not be the issue.And I dont know what it is.And if you hadnt posted this, I would have never known what you thought and wouldnt have known how to view your blog.

---If you wrote to Mishmash explaining your stand, I truly think you deserve a reply.(I shall copy paste this comment there too.)

I believe you both. If you say, that was not inspired from anyones blog, I trust that.But I also believe that there was something which made Shn write that post.And I refuse to believe its petty politics.I hope you two can resolve it..Plz plzz..

And dont get disheartened..Plz keep blogging

Anonymous said...

I wish you had spoken clearly rather than beat around the bush. two great bloggers and all you both are doing is making accusations? Why cannot you tell what was it that you menat in the first place?

lucky

mathew said...

well well...seems like accusations and counter-accusations are blowing over...people taking sides on who is right and who is wrong...and glad to see sensible comments like from Jina...

Let me tell first of all that there are lots of misinterpretations flying around in both blogs...

1) Mishmash had never claimed as the original creator of any dish...
2) Secondly both bloggers are popular on their own right and absolutely has no reason to be jealous of each other..
3) Mishmash had put the post based on a history of posts and not just one. And she is definitely not a person who would want to blame a person unless she has got reasons for it...
4) Will O Wisp features lot of recipes which are not featured in the other blog …

I have read the post here…as well at will o wisp...tried to comprehend both the posts…Well you all must be agreeing that both bloggers have own reasons and arguments !! I am quite confused though coz am sure mishmash is not someone who would accuse just for the heck of it...And if the recipes mentioned in Will O Wisp are purely coincidental it goes without saying Varsha deserves a much better deal!!

I am not a lawyer…neither am I good at making a judgment here after reading both posts and comments...But it’s getting really bad when people are imagining things about others personality based on the two posts…And again though it mind be tempting to get sarcastic and make some hard hitting statements from patrons (for lack of a better word) I wish the commenter’s let Mishmash and Will O Wisp to figure it out between themselves…

And to be honest I feel whoever has made the mistake (true to your conscience), there is absolutely nothing wrong in owning up to other person in a private mail….that in my opinions is true judgment of your personality… much bigger than what a blog statement/approval from fellow bloggers can espouse..

I am sure both bloggers want to get behind this as soon as possible…and I sincerely wish it’s put behind soon!!

miri goes phishing! said...

hi shan...I love the look and feel of you blog. I really don't have any intentions of take sides here but i think your views are misplaced. where i have been following your blog for sometime i came across her's only today...that too by chance when i came across a mushroom olarthiyathi recipe on her blog. i genuinely don't understand where all this bitterness is coming from.

i'm fairly new to blogging, so i don't know if my views are naive. if you post a recipe here, i guess its given that others will try it and adapt it. i thought sharing the experience was the main motive here...i completely understand that its wrong to copy & paste the photo from another blogger when someone has tried out a recipe and wants to post it. even worse still is to have done so without even trying out a recipe. but that clearly is not the case here.

cooking as an art/skill is to be passed on. obviously i have not put in the hours you both have spent on cooking and blogging about it and don't know if that would make me look at this differently.

but like Bong Mom said here if your accusation were true shouldn't you just feel flattered? what are you loosing?

Anonymous said...

Traditional recipes do not belong to anyone. So I am surprised at this post.Forget and forgive and move on.

ann said...

hello mishmash

Accusing a person is a serious thing my dear!
And I think that you are very wrong to claim a very traditional recipe as yours...
I have seen the same preperation being made many times even before it was posted on your blog....
Your accusitions have put me off from your blog

Anonymous said...

I agree with Ann. Since a blogger is relatively new, you cannot accuse her of copying your traditional recipe. That attitude seems to be of egoistic nature to me.

Anonymous said...

Hi Shn,

feel so bad that it happened to 2 great bloggers. Am sure both must be feeling bad for a situation like this. Mish, you should be proud if someone is inspired by your blog.But no need to call it plagiarism.(I'm sure you already said 1000 times in your inner mind that it was wrong to do such an action).

Yasmeen said...

Original work of creativity cannot be pointed as plagiarized solely on the basis of whoever posted it first.Logically ,isn't it possible authentic regional recipes be cooked with similar method and ingredients?.Accusing a hardworking blogger as plagiarist is a serious insult.

keerthy karthikeyan said...

Dear Mishmash,

I believe this is the first time i am posting on your blog..though i have visited this many a times. For a newly-married-never-been-in-kitchen-before-marriage cook that i am, i will say that your recipes have helped me tide through a lot of lunches, dinners & visits from friends/family.

But, i would also have to say that..you are not my only source of recipes. I get many of my 'traditional' mallu recipes from my mom, my mom-in-law and grand-mom...and none of them even know how to browse the web. these have been recipes which probably they have been handed down by their moms, or perfected with experience.

And there have been many a times that i see a post of yours and compare that with the little recipe book of mine - i see striking similarity in ingredients and proportions.. Do i feel righteous anger? No.. i just feel amused that some recipes have traveled the length and breadth of kerala..

Not all your recipes are your creation.. it is a reproduction - and very interesting reproduction at that. And it is also possible that someone else could also have the same recipe being passed on to her from her mom/m-i-l or whoever. This is a very important fact, which i think you have in your anger, forgotten.

Probably you felt highly frustrated and angered and wrote that mail in post in the height of that emotion - but pls take care that anger is not baseless. When you accuse someone of something.. even if you dont take the name, it is so obvious from the comments as to whom are you pointing finger at.

This is a pretty serious allegation, mish.. And since you both have lots of common followers for the blog, this is going to create a long and bitter stream of comments, allegations & counter-allegations.

There is no need to be complacent...but then it is better than being foolhardy.

Mrids.. said...

I am a silent reader of both the blogs in question, good ones at that.
I had a quick Q wrt your copyright policy. You say "Copying, re-writing, republishing... ... .. prohibited."
If any of the readers try your recipe, with or without minor variation, click a photograph and post it on their blog, is it wrong? Are you trying to say that they should at least provide a link or they should not post it at all?
All along you have clarified, what you did not intend to say. I think its time to come up with what exactly you intended to say. What according to you is copying? This information would help others while blogging on recipes adapted from other blogs.

Bharathy said...

Mishmash,

Somehow I feel you two should have resolved within yourselves rather than putting up this in your space.Once you had brought into her notice(I mean, via e-mail)you have already hit the target and you are succesful if she had intentionally done that…:-) She could be right or wrong in clarifying her stand,I honestly donno abt that..but not replying to them had brought an accusation back to you again.(Once you accuse somebody , with or without proof)you are obliged to listen what the other person has to say and respond your views till the end rather than being silent amidst.

I don’t want to take either sides but I have a few notes for you.

1.If someone points out such and such images from your place is being plagiarised you always have the right respond to them.As a blogger I too do that.But if you tend to over do it, readers out here might point out one by one which may be true or false(esp text ). And by reacting to each and every one of them would bring out more harm than good.
2.If you really have to point out somebody due to the above reasons, try best NOT to put up the issue on your blog, provided if he/she is a blogger, after all bloggers have to stay together in this sphere. Because, I personally feel the “target” which you had reffered will revert to you as a stronger bullet and may do more harm to you.(It is pleasant to earn a few good friends in this sphere,after all we are here to share recipes and have some fun with friends, but very unpleasant to have another crowd who would openly accuse you as egoistic and unfair)

I LOVE your place, cos you really have an exceptionally great talent to prepare the write ups and your recipes are perfect lookouts for many aspiring cooks like me.

Keep Rocking!! Girl :)

Anonymous said...

I have alwayss had a look if wanted to go for a nadan recipe...but u have put me off ur blog by ur bitterness towards ur fellow blogger. As a malayali living in London i have friends from almost all areas of kerala n they send me their recipes n vice versa. If i cook one of their recipes, will they call me a copy cat. Its all about sharing. About the recipe u cooked u were saying that ur mom gave u that recipe...so what does that make u a copycat. If the blogger copies ur pictures thats bad u can accuse...but not proportions. Coz u know almost all our traditional recipes are same... I really wonder what if u get a patent on Sambar..